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NEW 30.03.08 20:27
Люди, подскажите пожалуйста, как можно перевзти такую фразу
above and beyond the influence of parents and neighborhoods.
above and beyond the influence of parents and neighborhoods.
NEW 30.03.08 22:42
на ум сразу приходит неродственный, несвязанный. Но тогда будет unrelated. Но мне кажется, что это одно и тоже. Если ошибаюсь, то поправьте меня. Напишите предложение полностью, может так будет понятней.
NEW 31.03.08 15:02
в ответ SobakaNaSene 31.03.08 14:13
вот что нашла:
Q. Which is correct: unrelated or nonrelated? I have encountered both.
A. Sometimes the meanings of non- and un- are quite distinct. For instance, a nonprofit organization is not supposed to turn a profit; if it does, it has a problem. On the other hand, a business that is unprofitable is supposed to reap profits, so it▓s in trouble if it doesn▓t.
Likewise, a nonscheduled airline operates without a regular schedule of flights; it runs charters on demand. But an unscheduled landing implies that there is a normal schedule that has been altered because of an emergency.
But this does not seem to apply to unrelated and nonrelated, which are treated as synonyms in sample documents, such as the Minnesota Code of Law:
⌠A guardian may be related or unrelated to the child. A child living with a nonrelated legal guardian shall be eligible for foster care┘■
and the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
⌠Unrelated individuals. These are persons who are not living with any relatives. Such individuals may live alone, reside in a nonrelated family household, or live in group quarters with other unrelated individuals."
In practice, the words seem to be interchangeable.
Q. Which is correct: unrelated or nonrelated? I have encountered both.
A. Sometimes the meanings of non- and un- are quite distinct. For instance, a nonprofit organization is not supposed to turn a profit; if it does, it has a problem. On the other hand, a business that is unprofitable is supposed to reap profits, so it▓s in trouble if it doesn▓t.
Likewise, a nonscheduled airline operates without a regular schedule of flights; it runs charters on demand. But an unscheduled landing implies that there is a normal schedule that has been altered because of an emergency.
But this does not seem to apply to unrelated and nonrelated, which are treated as synonyms in sample documents, such as the Minnesota Code of Law:
⌠A guardian may be related or unrelated to the child. A child living with a nonrelated legal guardian shall be eligible for foster care┘■
and the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
⌠Unrelated individuals. These are persons who are not living with any relatives. Such individuals may live alone, reside in a nonrelated family household, or live in group quarters with other unrelated individuals."
In practice, the words seem to be interchangeable.
NEW 31.03.08 15:09
Не совсем понял.
То есть это связано исключительно с родством в прямом смысле слова? Кровное/некровное родство? Или как? 
в ответ sunny2310 31.03.08 15:02
В ответ на:
Unrelated individuals. These are persons who are not living with any relatives. Such individuals may live alone, reside in a nonrelated family household, or live in group quarters with other unrelated individuals."
Unrelated individuals. These are persons who are not living with any relatives. Such individuals may live alone, reside in a nonrelated family household, or live in group quarters with other unrelated individuals."
Не совсем понял.


Хороший собеседник не только слушает, но и подливает...
NEW 31.03.08 21:02
в ответ KarapuZZka 31.03.08 20:42
Нашла в одном словаре, что это выражение в контексте фразы above and beyond the call of duty переводится как наивысшее проявление чувства долга Это я тут смотрела http://multitran.ru/c/m.exe?a=phr&s=above%20and%20beyond&sc=24&l1=1&l2=2 Там же на форуме оставила сообщение, посмотрим как переводчики там переведут. 
